Iceberg interview with Lisa & Méav, February 2007 CLICK HERE to hear the streaming audio Legand: JM: John Moore, the interviewer LK: Lisa Kelly MNM: Méav Ní Mhaolchatha Transcript by: Alanna, Meldy as Posted at www.lisakelly.org forum. The Interview @ Iceberg radio is no longer online. JM: Collectively known as Celtic Woman, in studio with me now. Lisa and Méav, welcome. LK: Thank you very much. MNM: Thank you. JM: This is such an extranordinary group because collectively you guys have this beautiful sound together, but it's very clear that each of you brings a different style and a different approach and a different character to the group. I imagine that was entirely intentional. LK: Absolutely, yeah. You know, David was always very insistent that we kept our individuality within the group as well and we had worked with him on separate projects and they were all different projects as well so he knew where we came from, our background in music, our personalities. So that was always the plan, is that we would go up there and be individuals and solo artists and then when we came together we would try and blend as much as possible but there was no sort of pressure on us to conform to any other type of music. It was just, you know, go up there, be you, do what you do. JM: Did you have to audition for it, or were you selected like witches from Harry Potter? MNM: Well, we didn't have to audition. We all knew David through other music projects that we'd done and he thought we'd sound pretty good together so it was just, a lucky coincidence in some ways. I think that we were all available at the same time, and when we first did it we thought it was just gonna be a one nighter. JM: Right. MNM: So it was like, yeah, that's fine - sounds good. Turn up, and then suddenly we... haven't stopped. LK: Haven't - MNM: Yeah, it's been crazy but we've been on the road pretty much for the last two years. LK: Yep. JM: Do you think that made a difference? The show thinking this is a one-off? Did you approach it differently from how you might've if somebody had said, "We're setting you up on a three year tour here."? LK: Probably, yeah. MNM: Yeah. LK: Probably. I think, you know, it was nice because it felt quite unique when we did it at the time and we didn't know each other even though we worked with David. We didn't know each other, we knew of each other but hadn't worked together, and that was something new for all of us. We met two days before we recorded it. So, I think obviously yes, I think we all agreed on the basis that it was one day, but we were very lucky that it just has spiraled out of control since then. MNM: I mean, I suppose it means that we didn't over-analyze it at the start - LK: Yeah. MNM: We just turned up and had a bit of fun, and so there was very little pressure. Whereas I think if you'd known it was gonna be a big, long commitment, you might think, "Oh, I wonder should I do it this way or that way," whereas it was just fairly, fairly free, really. LK: It was very honest, yeah. Very honest performance. JM: And how is the chemistry in the group? You all get along? No catfights whatsoever? LK: We do, yeah. MNM: Oh, it's terrible - terrible! JM: I'm always looking for scandal. LK: (laughs) I know, everybody is. I think it's this whole Desperate Housewives scenario. (Méav laughs) But it's not - I mean we're so different personality-wise. I don't think you could even say any two of us are alike or not, and you know our differences in music, and our tastes - they're all completely different which I think helps us get on and because there's no competition between us then on stage. Nobody's going to try to kill the other one. MNM: Yeah, I think also because we get a chance to sing music that we each enjoy doing as soloists it means that kind of feeds an energy back into our group numbers as well. That you don't feel you have to conform to particular styles or whatever. You can do the big numbers but then you get a chance to show your personality, and that means it's a fairly healthy, that sort of atmosphere I guess. LK: Yep. JM: And there is a real difference - a variety - in the music that you guys are doing because you're doing strict classical numbers - MNM: Yes. JM: Traditional Irish and Gaelic, then there's, you know, things like "Scarborough Fair." MNM: Yep. LK: Mm-hmm. JM: And actually what I happen to think is the most amazing rendition of "Beyond the Sea" that I've ever heard of. MNM: Aww, thank you. LK: Ah, thank you. It was great fun doing that. JM: What's the mix then, for you? What would lead to the choosing of one song or another and how do you mix that altogether in a show? MNM: Well, each of us gets a chance to talk about what our strengths are and we discuss them with David and then he ultimately decides on the mix that goes into the show. But I think that part of the fun of it is that we're stretched in different directions like, as you say, "Beyond the Sea" isn't one you would think of as being a Celtic song, and yet he's given it this sort of Celtic stamp in the style of the arrangement. I think it has partly to do with the instruments that he chooses, and also his own background as a mixture of classical and traditional. He plays both. So they kind of feed into the mix and again the voices just blend in a particular way so people associate that sound with us even if the material is from different sources. JM: And do you each have your own preferences - Lisa? LK: Oh, well yeah, I mean, my background wasn't in traditional Irish music at all so this show has particularly broadened my horizons and I've learned so much. I've learned so much from Méav, I've learned so much from Máiréad, and you know, that's where their background is. So I mean I'm still going to sing the contemporary ones and the more, ballads but I've got a great variety in what I sing as well so it's helped. JM: And Méav, you've got a background in musical theater but also in traditional Irish music. MNM: Yeah, actually not so much in musical theater. That's more Lisa's style. I've done a little bit of that style but more classical and then traditional as well. So for me, I suppose doing the bigger kind of more contemporary ballads - that's a big challenge for me and it's been really exciting taking those on. So, yeah, it's been a "growing" experience for us all. JM: And you sing in Gaelic. MNM: That's right. JM: Where did you learn it? MNM: I grew up with Gaelic. My parents were both Irish speakers and they sent us to an Irish school so all our subjects were taught through Irish - except English, which was through English. (Lisa laughs) So it was just very much a part of growing up. And I suppose at home, my grandfather lived with us and he was into - he always sang as well so it was just like Irish music was part of growing up. Just, nothing special. Just part of your day to day life. JM: Is it a hard language? I mean, having grown up with it I guess it's hard to have an opinion that way. MNM: It's tricky to learn if you don't start early. I think that would be fair to say. It's very different from English. It's an older language and it's quite guttural. But it's certainly fun to sing it. JM: Can you say a few phrases for us? MNM: Sure. (speaks in Irish "............ agus fuar.") *** JM: What does that translate to? MNM: I'm not gonna tell you! (The girls laugh) JM: Oh, come on! There's like three people listening right now going, "Right on. That girl's got it." MNM: Oh, I just said we're delighted to be here in this country that's so friendly and, cold." (more laughing) JM: Lisa, your background... somewhat different. You were with Riverdance for five years. LK: I was, yes. JM: On the stage at the age of seven. LK: Yep. JM: And, big fan of Madonna and Barbara Streisand. LK: I know, yeah, it's quite diverse but I was brought up in the musical theater kind of family. My parents were hugely involved in the amateur musical theater circuit in Ireland. So from a very young age, I was on the stage and did all the drama courses and singing and a little bit of dancing, not very much. But that was mainly where I concentrated on. And then as I sort of went into my teens I developed a love for pop as you do, but I studied classically and I trained classically for seven years before I went into Riverdance but my main love has been musical stuff, mostly. JM: Have you met any of these people you idolize? LK: No, no I haven't. Closest thing was Oasis. Closest thing to Barbara Streisand. No, I've never met them. Not yet, hopefully. JM: Let's talk about some of the members who aren't here today. And just from my impression - I haven't met them but having read about them - Chloë, 16 years old, so being young she's the little sister? MNM: Yeah, well she's very mature. LK: Very mature, yeah. MNM: She's very grown-up in her attitude. I mean it's amazing actually. She's been performing since she was very small. So yeah, she's the rocker in the group like she loves her Green Day and you know, she brings a sort of maybe younger musical influence to the group. But she just slots in with the rest of us. LK: She's very much a younger sister but you'd never describe her now as a baby sister. MNM: No. LK: You know, because she kind of guides us around the place. She's very good. She's very mature and her head is firmly on her shoulders. JM: Órla, the phrase that struck me as I was reading about her was "the dreamer." Am I wrong? MNM: No, that sums it up. Yeah, Órla is quite cooky in her style and she's quite individual and even the clothes that she chooses and - LK: She's very delicate and she's very (note: I can't hear what she says here) - MNM: Yeah, she is dreamy. She loves her garden at home and planting her flowers. Yeah, I think you picked the nail on the head. JM: And then there's Máiréad. Fiddler. All-Ireland Fiddle Champion. That sounds like a pretty might thing. LK: She is, yeah, she's a mighty woman. She's incredible. She runs around the stage. MNM: She's small but she's a powerhouse. LK: She really is. MNM: She's a great colleague to have around. LK: Yeah, she is - she's brilliant. JM: And she can step dance in 2 or 3-inch heels from what I could see on the DVD. LK: Yes, yes, she can. MNM: Yeah, she says oh it's not dancing but she is very elegant on stage. She just floats across the room. LK: She does. JM: Lisa and Méav are my guests of Celtic Woman, and I think now would be a nice time for a song. Can you set something up for us? What would you like to do? MNM: Sure. Well, one of the new songs in A Celtic Journey is "Scarborough Fair," which is actually an English folk song but made famous here by Simon and Garfunkel's version and this is a slightly different take on it with some traditional Irish instruments. (ALANNA wrote this trascript as posted on the www.lisakelly.org/forum) ------------------------ Note: To set the stage, Meav has just finished singing Scarborough Fair. JM: Scarborough Fair, that’s Meav from Celtic Woman. What do you think it is about the Irish style of music, this is the million dollar question, that gives it such eternal appeal? MNM: I don’t know, I mean it’s a tricky one. It’s brought us all over the world and it’s amazing. I mean when you come to somewhere like Canada or to the States you can understand that there are a lot of American-Irish here or Canadian-Irish so there’s a natural affinity with the music, but when we go to somewhere like Japan, there is that… there’s no direct connection you can see, and yet the music seems to appeal to people. So, I don’t know, I think as an island, we’ve held on to our traditions maybe longer than other countries, because we were moving more slowly in the terms in the way we progressed and the songs are songs that people can identify with in terms of their message about leaving home and missing your country, your homeland, and your loved ones. And uh, I don’t know, it’s a mysterious thing. LK: Yeah, I also think that the lyrics as well in a lot of Irish songs are quite visual so they, they…you know they capture peoples’ memories or…what their belief of Ireland is as well, and I think that helps. There’s hundreds and thousands of Irish people all over the world that are either, you know, remember having been in Ireland or have grandparents that have told them about the land and the green-ness and a lot of the songs reflect that and make it a very visual kind of sound. JM: And the traditional instruments always stand out… LK&MNM: Yeah… JM: The tin whistle, uh….reed pipe, uh just the drum that you hit with the two mallets… LK: The bodhran, yep. JM: These things are..they sort of penetrate to the soul. LK: They do, yeah. The spoons and everything, instinctively you know it’s Irish music. MNM: Yeah, I suppose in some ways those sounds, they’re quite earthy, they’re quite…they appeal to you at a, you know, basic human level I guess. They’re instruments that are not particularly…well I suppose the pipes are I suppose…but they’re not particularly sophisticated in how they’re made. So it’s almost like they have a direct…they speak to you directly. LK: Yep. JM: I was reading one interview, Meav, where you talked about how you’d see a more spiritual side to it or “healing music.” MNM: Yeah, I mean that’s…our music’s been called “healing music” in Japan and I know it…Irish music’s also been considered “healing music” in Korea and it’s something we’re very honored to think people would consider our music “healing”. It’s a category that’s not really known here, but I suppose it’s understandable given the sort of themes that are in the music; that people find it kind of comforting and gives them a chance to step away from the hurly-burly of life for a while. JM: Now in addition to the records that you guys have done there are the DVDs and they have caused quite the sensation in North America, I thinks it’s run on American television something like 1200 times. They’re very evocative concerts. It’s all about the staging, the lights, and then when it, you know, at the end of it all, it’s just about the music. I guess the thrust of my question would be, it looks very dramatic to watch that, what’s it like to be up there on the stage? LK: I’ll let you know, from day one, we’ve had the best of everything. In fairness, we’ve had the best lighting designers, the best set designers, the best costume designer in Ireland, so it was a joy to be in the first Celtic Woman DVD, that was amazing. And I didn’t actually believe that anything could make the second one better, but when we stepped into Slane Castle, the day we were recording the DVD, and we saw that they had actually made a stage as an extension of the castle; because Slane Castle is actually known as a rock and roll gig venue – U2 have played there, Madonna’s played there, you know, Red Hot Chili Peppers; but they usually play down in one of the fields so it’s very much a rock gig. And I actually thought that’s where we were going to be and we walked in and saw this beautiful set as an extension of the castle and…I mean, personally I just couldn’t believe it. It was so nice and even though it was freezing cold the night that we recorded it, it was very mystical, it felt very theatrical and I think it’s quite hard to capture a theatrical style outdoors. I think it’s really, really hard to do and I think we managed to do that. And I certainly felt like I was in a theatre somewhere, in any of the Fox Theatres and you could see the stars (laughs), but it felt like being outdoors, it was very atmospheric. JM: It’s very funny to hear that is was cold because you’re standing there in these very ethereal, …. LK: …I was freezing…yeah.... JM:…angelic dresses… MNM: Yeah…Believe me, you need those lights, they’re not just for atmosphere… LK: (Laughing) MNM: It’s to warm you up…they were our heat… JM: And is it still a working castle? I read about a certain Lord who’s…. MNM::…That’s right, Lord Henry, he lives there with his family. Yeah, the real thing. JM: What’s he like? LK: He’s lovely… MNM: He’s a gas…yeah, he’s great fun. And he loves the whole theatricality of musicians coming. And that’s the thing, he welcomes musicians to Slane over the years and uh, I think he was delighted with the way his castle looked in the DVD too because every window was lit and uh, they were sort of an icy blue in the first half and then golden deep reds and flames in the second half. So, you know, he could see that the castle was very much a part of the show and the theatricality of the show and he was in his element. LK: Yeah… MNM: …And he threw a party for us afterwards, which is a bit of fun. JM: Well there you go. I mean you guys are on quite the ride. MNM: (laughs)… LK: We are yes, living the dream…(laughing) MNM: …ah yes, it’s a hard life, very, very tough, you know. I’m just so tired of castles now….so weary of them. JM: Now you do have children… MNM: We do… LK: Yes… JM: Is that tough? Lisa? LK: Uh, yeah, well, you know I don’t really know much different. My son Cian has been on tour with me since I was in Riverdance. So he’s four now, so I’ve been touring for nearly 5…6 years at this stage. So um, yeah it’s tough, it’s tough having the kids on the road, but it’s better than the alternative, it’d be too difficult to leave them. And we’re away for so long at the moment that you just...I couldn’t do it. But they love it. And they love the music and they’re completely addicted to the show (laughs). I come home every now and again and they’ll have a little show for me and they’ll put on all the songs and they’ll sing along with it. So it’s great. It’s a great way to introduce them to music too. JM: Sure. And similar to how you were brought up… LK: …exactly… JM: …perhaps not with as much travel… LK: …exactly… IB…but you grew up in the biz… LK: That’s it yeah, you know it’s a great gift I think to be able to give your children too. MNM: And they grow up very sociable because they… LK:…yep… MNM:…are so used to being surrounded by people and they’re very adjustable….they don’t mind change at all. I remember a colleague saying to me, you know, ‘What’s normal to them is whatever they know. They don’t know any different, so they don’t mind at all that they are traveling around and seeing different places.’ You create routines yourself on the road, but we’re lucky as well that all the girls are so, um supportive… LK: Yes… MNM: …it’s baby mad, they’re all, you know, like extra aunties on the road so, it’s good fun. JM: Now as part of Celtic Woman and as well, both of you have done, uh, Meav you were in “Lord of the Dance” and Lisa in “Riverdance”… LK: Yes…. JM: I wonder about, sort of being ambassadors for Ireland, ambassadors for Irish culture, because there are some people in Ireland who kind of frown on the Czechification, and I’m not saying that’s what you guys are doing that in this show, but Riverdance and stuff like that…and uh…sort of the mining of traditional Irish culture and turning it into “the show business.” How do you feel about that? MNM: Um, well it’s interesting, I think it’s true you know people...some people who particularly those who are very immersed in traditional music sometimes they feel like you should, you know, be very reverential towards the music and not change it. But music is such a fluid thing, it’s got to change and develop and I think as long as you do it with respect for the original, you know, source of the music then, you know, all you are doing is celebrating your culture. And we are really proud to bring it to a wider audience. I think also, when you meet musicians, the really good musicians have no problem with you, you know, blend… going from one…you know…crossing boundaries. They just think, you know, that it’s either good or bad music and they don’t care which box people put you in. And uh, you know, there’s always going to be people who disagree with what you do and your styles, but I think in general people are very supportive and uh, you just find a new way at looking at a piece of music. That’s got to be a good thing. JM: Is there an aspect of Irish music that is similar to jazz, I guess, in terms of the fact that you could pretty well anywhere, sitting in a bar, or sitting in the back of the bus, uh, meeting a new musician, you could just strike up a song? MNM&LK: Yeah…. LK: There’s a lot of that in Irish music, you know, I think that’s…to be honest I think, there’s a lot of that in most kinds of music. I mean Irish music would… obviously have started like that. You would be sitting in your kitchen and someone would break into song with or without instruments so…you know, I think absolutely it’s exactly the same. MNM: …and like jazz you have the freedom to ornament it in a different way … LK: …yeah… MNM: …the next time you sing it, it might be slightly different or, you know, and it’s fascinating to hear maybe a song that’s sung in one area in the country and then hear a version that’s just that little bit different, it’s got a different twist to it from somewhere that might be only 15 miles up the road. So uh…different words… LK: …different music, oh it’s really strange. JM: I’ve made you do a lot of talking again. Let’s get back to what you’re famous for and that would be singing. What would you like to do now? LK: I’m actually going to sing you a song called, “Caledonia” which is in the new show. (RFJ) (Note post @ lisakelly.org/forum: Here's part 3, I wrote it almost as they said it that's why you may read a lot of "you knows" all over the place, they're just so down to earth they seem like they are leisurely talking P.S. If anybody wants to make some corrections or anything at all, feel free to tell me or correct it! ) PART 3 BM: Lisa of Celtic Woman with “Caledonia.” I guess each of you have your party piece when it comes to the show, is there a number that is designed for each of you to come out and “this song is my big moment”? L: Mm, I don’t know I mean people always ask Meav and me as well in interviews “What’s your favorite song?” I find it really really hard to pick a favorite song out of the songs in the show and I think that’s quite important as well because, you know, I love all the songs that are in it and hand on my heart I can say that, I can honestly say there is not one song I wouldn’t like to be singing up there but mm I think that when you perform them it changes on night to night as to which song I would like singing the most but if I had to had to pick a favorite I do love “The Voice.” I love the voice” I love the key it’s written in, it just sits very easily in my range and I love performing it, it’s very much a “belt” song and you know being musical theatre I kinda like the belt (laughs). So it it’s good. BM: Okay now that Lisa’s named her favo, the favorite of her children, Meav do you have one? M: Well, again it’s really hard to choose and it’s nice going into a new tour to be singing new material, so I have a new song called “Dulaman”, which is a really punchy, fun number, so I’m looking forward to doing that and it’s with the choir and it’s got a lot of percussion in it so again it’s good fun, but I also love singing “Danny Boy” which is one that my granddad used to sing and it’s been sung so many times but you, somehow you feel an audience reaction to you singing it and it can, you know, I try to keep it fresh every night, I love the arrangement it’s just with voices with, with the choir and it has a nice still choir..(BM takes over) BM: And you’re right about “Dulaman” it would be a great opening for a Ceili. It’s th...(lisa and meav take over) L and M: yeah, ok, (lisa) brilliant. BM: Back to “Danny Boy” though, (meav: yeah) that is a song, you know, guys sing on street corners, (meav: yeah) drunks sing in alley ways (lisa, meav: yeah) M: Absolutely, it’s been murdered so many times (lisa laughs) BM: So how do you breathe new life into it? M: Well I think you know with any song, you just try and sing it as if the people who are listening to it had never heard it before and it just the words and the melody are so well fitted together that I think that kind of carries you along and the way it opens out and the sentiment of it, again mm like a song that Lisa sings, “The Blessing,” it can be read in a lot of different ways, it can be read as, you know, somebody singing to the to, to some, a love person, you know, a loved one it could be a son, it could be you know a lover, it could be a father, you know, it’s not it’s not clear in the words and I think that, that sort of mysteriousness means that it can speak to everybody individually so you’ll find , find a way of making it your own. BM: Another track on the album is “The Prayer” (lisa & meav: yeah), which strikes me as becoming a new classic in terms of the fact that it can have multiple interpreters and it works every time it doesn’t sound like someone is just grabbing on something that was a hit L: No and it’s written very differently as well for Chloe and she recorded it there for the show but I know I know like we did interviews with her today and she was saying how much she enjoys singing it and it reminds her always when she’s away of her mum and her sister at home, so, I think it’s very important when you’re performing that you can relate to a song yourself because I don’t think you can actually give a very convincing performance if you don’t, and David has been very good at choosing songs that he felt reflected our personality and reflected our individuality and I think that’s been a major point for me as well as that I’m not going out going “oh no I have to sing this song again,” and I never feel like that and I know Chloe would never feel like that either. So m, that’s been really important for all of us. BM: And “Over the Rainbow” which is sung on the album acapella L & M: yeah, that’s right M: I mean it’s a gorgeous song again like sung an American classic, you think “my goodness” you know, “do we dare to take this one on,” but again David writes for our voices in such a way that each person gets, you know, a part of the melody and then the rest of the time you’re accompanying the other voices and it kind of has a nice ebb and flow to it so I think he’s found a way to of, you know, making it fit with the Celtic Woman sound and yet, you know, serving the song cause it’s such a beautiful song. L: And he likes keeping our brains ticking as well so like he, he writes them quite difficult to try...(meav takes over) M: Yeah, tricky harmonies (lisa laughing) to keep us on our toes at all times (they laugh) BM: Both of you have mentioned relatives, uncles, grandfathers, fathers, mothers, etc. Is this bringing a lot of pride to the families? L: Of course, of course, I mean you know obviously because my parents are involved in the amateur circuit, I’m living their dream, you know they’re really, they’re so proud, they couldn’t be any prouder. My dad checks every, checks his website everyday to make sure that the cd and dvd are doing alright (laughs). M: And they love any excuse to come over. Like they came over to Radio City and you know it’s great to feel that support at home. BM: In all the dramatic shows that you’ve done is there one that was particularly exciting either because of the location having a lot of history or just because it was just a great night? L: Well like there’s many that hold something special for each of us I mean Radio City was huge for us obviously because it’s such a big venue and we played Red Rocks in Colorado and at the end of last year, (meav: yeah, we loved that) and that was incredible. M: It’s just such a natural, it’s just so impressive and majestic before you sing a note, I mean, a bare rock behind you and it’s just a very dramatic space and like 6,000 people looking down at you and it was still bright when we started the concert so you can see their faces, and it just really “gelled”( I’m not sure what meav said in this part hehe) all the musicians played their hearts out it was a great one to finish on (lisa: yeah) BM: And Meav is it true you have a law degree? M: That’s right, yeah. Do you wanna ask me some technical questions (BM: no, no) (they all laugh) M: Please don’t, I’m a bit rusty right now, a bit rusty on the old law of the state! BM: Sure, but you must’ve thought I have a future in music but how did you end up in law school? M: Yeah, I was just a very good girl you see and I think my parents thought was a good idea BM: Something to fall back on (Lisa laughing) M: No well it’s true I think dad’s still thinks I’m going to have a sensible job one of these days. But it’s not gonna happen ( L & M laugh). BM: Where do you see all of this going, do you see this being around thirty years from now? Or you’re just riding it as long as you can? L: Just as long as we can, you know, I don’t think any of thought it would last as long as it has we haven’t really had a chance to think about it but it’s just going from strength to strength and, you know, we’ve got a tour ahead of us now we start on February 14th, in Tampa and we hope to come back now to Toronto in June and I think once we kind of finish that tour we’re hoping to get to New Zealand and Australia and the U.K. and some of Europe because we haven’t actually touched any of there yet, so it’ll be great to do that but we’re going to be busy for the foreseeable future I think. M: I mean one of the great pleasures of working with this show is that we’ve been able to do our own solo work as well and release our own solo albums, it’s actually you can really enjoy the show while you’re still feeding into your own work as well so I think that makes it easier to do it for a longer time we’re all still really enjoying it so we’re going to keep it up for a longer while. (lisa: yeah) BM: Yeah, and it’s the real deal and by that I mean I’ve watched other groups that are pieced together like boy bands and some other acts we won’t talk about. You people seem to really have what people would say in French, complicity together, it just, it all, just organic L: It just works I mean you know as we said earlier we’re very very different and, you know, I think in some ways they are very lucky with the five girls that they did pick because we each compliment each other we each support each other you know there’s never been a “hair-tearing-out-session” you know it’s a pleasure to work with the girls they’re all fantastic M: Ah thanks Lisa L: Oh just Meav (they laugh) M: Yeah, no it’s true though I mean I think both musically and in personality wise we just “gel” (there’s the “gel” again) well as a group, long may it continue BM: Thank you very much Lisa and Meav: Thank you